WATERBOARDING IS NOT TORTURE, IT’S EFFECTIVE

THE EFFECTIVENESS OF WATERBOARDING

Phone Call by Kuwaiti Courier Led to Bin Laden

…Then in 2004, top al-Qaida operative Hassan Ghul was captured in Iraq. Ghul told the CIA that al-Kuwaiti was a courier, someone crucial to the terrorist organization. In particular, Ghul said, the courier was close to Faraj al-Libi, who replaced Mohammed as al-Qaida’s operational commander. It was a key break in the hunt for in bin Laden’s personal courier.

“Hassan Ghul was the linchpin,” a U.S. official said.

Read the rest Here: Phone Call by Kuwaiti Courier Led to Bin Laden – ABC News.

Notice how Ghul was captured in Iraq during 2004?
Remember all the leftist calling for impeachment of George Bush for war crimes, saying we had no reason to go into Iraq and it was an unjust war?
I remember members of al-Qaida being rounded up and arrested in Iraq during the liberation of that country, imagine that…al-Qaida in Iraq!
These terrorist were brought into custody and vital information was extracted from them which would eventually lead us to Osama Bin Laden.

A little bit of info on Hassan Ghul from the anti-American leftist website historycommons.org

Profile: Hassan Ghul
Hassan Ghul was a participant or observer in the following events:
March 28, 2002-Mid-2004: High-Ranking Al-Qaeda Detainees Subjected to Aggressive Interrogation Techniques
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In 2007, NBC News will report that the CIA uses aggressive interrogation techniques on at least 13 high-ranking al-Qaeda detainees between 2002 and 2004. These techniques are first used on Abu Zubaida, captured in March 2002 (see March 28, 2002), and some of the techniques are discontinued in the wake of the Abu Ghraib scandal around the middle of 2004 (see April 28, 2004), which is also around the time the CIA’s Inspector General issues a secret report suggesting many of these techniques could be a violation of an international treaty against torture (see May 7, 2004). Euphemistically called “enhanced interrogation,” these techniques include:
Sleep deprivation.
Exposure to extreme heat and cold.
Confined quarters.
Psychological and physical abuse.
The use of psychotropic drugs.
Waterboarding. However, waterboarding is allegedly only used on about four of the detainees (see May 2002-2003).
All 13 of these detainees will later be transferred to Guantanamo prison to stand trial before a military tribunal there (see September 2-3, 2006). (Two others similarly transferred – Abu Faraj al-Libbi and Abu al-Hadi al-Iraqi – are captured after the Abu Ghraib scandal and thus are not subjected to as many interrogation techniques.) [MSNBC, 9/13/2007] However, there are other “ghost detainees” not officially acknowledged as captured by the US government (see June 7, 2007). Some, like Hassan Ghul, Abdul Rahim al-Sharqawi, and Mohammed Omar Abdul-Rahman, are held in the same secret prison as most of the “official” high-ranking detainees later transferred to Guantanamo, so it would seem likely that aggressive techniques have been used on many of them as well. In 2007, President Bush will sign an executive order allowing the CIA to use most of these aggressive techniques again (see July 2007).

Read more here: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=hassan_ghul_1
WAA! CRY ME A RIVER!

What is the name of Osama's courier?

Hassan Ghul spelled his guts under these harmless yet advanced interrogation techniques, the information that we obtained from Ghul led US special forces to a courier who in turn would lead us to the hiding place of Osama Bin Laden.
In other words, waterboarding works, it is effective and should be used more often.

George Bush and the war on terror have been vindicated.
I’m glad to see that the Democrats decided to keep with Bush’s policies in regards to terrorism, it would have been sad if Obama would have kept his campaign promises and pulled out of the mid-east.

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22 Responses to WATERBOARDING IS NOT TORTURE, IT’S EFFECTIVE

  1. YouLie says:

    Ghul was never waterboarded. He did have enhanced interrogation techniques used against him. But until someone comes forward and says the other couriers name was released during those interrogations. You simply don’t know weather the enhanced interrogation techniques caused the data to be released

    Ghul’s name is referenced at the bottom of page 7. See Gul
    http://s3.amazonaws.com/propublica/assets/missing_memos/28OLCmemofinalredact30May05.pdf

    • Mr Caps says:

      Advanced techniques are advanced techniques, if they are effective in getting information that will say lives then they should be used.
      On the top of page 8 in the PDF file “water dousing” is mentioned.

      • Anonymous says:

        Water dousing is not water boarding. And the approval to use that technique was sought, but it never says it was approved. Furthermore, after WWII during the Tokyo War Crimes trials, the USA executed Japanese soldiers for waterboarding POWs. It was considered torture then, and it should be considered torture now.

        • Mr Caps says:

          So water boarding is bad and execution is good?
          Water boarding is effective and does no harm to the individual, torture will leave permanent damage- just ask John McCain.

          • Waterboarding is torture says:

            If I stick bamboo in your fingernails, it will not cause permanent damage – but it most certainly causes harm and most certainly is torture. If someone strapped you naked to a bottomless chair and then took a rope with a large, heavy knot on the end and proceeded to repeatedly whack your testicles (ala Casino Royale), it would not cause permanent physical damage, but it undoubtedly causes harm and is undoubtedly torture. So you are going to have to think of a new argument.

            It’s funny that you say I should ask John McCain about torture. Because if you asked him if waterboarding was torture, he would say it is (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvjn5cKQHQg).

            Have you ever heard of Christopher Hitchens? He is a journalist that repeatedly stated waterboarding was not torture. Then he agreed to be waterboarded, and lasted less than 10 seconds. Now he says it is most definitely torture.

            How about Erich “Mancow” Muller? He is a conservative talk show host who said waterboarding was not torture. He lasted less than 15 seconds, and now he says waterboarding is torture.

            Sean Hannity interviewed Charles Grodin and Grodin asked Hannity if waterboarding isn’t torture, would Hannity agree to be waterboarded. Hannity agreed he would be waterboarded for a charitable cause. Keith Olbermann took Hannity up on his offer and agreed to give $1000 to a charitable cause for every second Hannity lasted. Hannity never did get waterboarded despite being publicly humiliated by Olbermann night after night.

            If you agreed to be waterboarded and the waterboarding would stop when you said the sentence “waterboarding is torture”, you would say it within 20 seconds. You would say “Obama is the greatest President ever” or anything else to make it stop within 20 seconds.

            I never said executions were good. I said Japanese soldiers were executed by Americans for waterboarding POWs, I didn’t make any kind of moral judgement about executions. I merely stated a fact. It does, however, mean that in the 1940’s, waterboarding was considered torture by Americans. Why would it not be considered torture today? If it was wrong in 1946, then it is wrong today.

            Waterboarding violates the Geneva Conventions, which was ratified by the US Senate in 1955. It violates the the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, which the Senate ratified in 1992. It violates the United Nations Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment, which was signed by RONALD REAGAN in 1988 and ratified by the Senate in 1994. It violates numerous statutes including the “Prohibition on Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment of Persons Under Custody or Control of the United States Government” and “Additional Prohibition on Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment”, both which extend civil rights to any person in the custody of the United States anywhere in the world.

            Waterboarding is clearly torture. If you cannot see that, then you are blinded by your ideology and not looking at facts.

            • Mr Caps says:

              Water boarding does not inflict pain or leave physical damage, it is effective in psyching out detainees and getting more information.
              Water boarding is nothing more than a college hazing prank that should be implemented when necessary.

              BTW, “double tapping” an unarmed terrorist is ok but water boarding is bad, this doesn’t make sense to me.

          • Chris - UK says:

            I am for enhanced interrogation but as a point , psychological damage can be, and often is permanent and just as detrimental to on-going quality of life.
            Just to be accurate.

  2. Waterboarding is torture says:

    FROM WIKIPEDIA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding):
    Waterboarding is a form of TORTURE in which water is poured over the face of an immobilized captive, causing the individual to experience the sensation of drowning. Water is then poured onto the face over the breathing passages, causing an almost immediate gag reflex and creating the sensation that the captive is drowning. Waterboarding can cause extreme PAIN, dry drowning, damage to lungs, brain damage from oxygen deprivation, other physical injuries including broken bones due to struggling against restraints, lasting psychological damage and, if uninterrupted, death. Adverse physical consequences can manifest themselves months after the event, while psychological effects can last for years. The term water board torture appears in press reports as early as 1976. [capitalization of words added to show emphasis].

    If waterboarding was nothing more than a “college hazing prank” then why was a doctor always required to be present when it was administered? Why was a Texas sherriff sentenced to 10 years in prison for waterboarding prisoners in 1983? I will repeat once again – John McCain, who was once tortured himself, says waterboarding is torture. I will repeat once again, we executed Japanese soldiers for waterboarding POWs in the 1940’s because it is torture I will repeat once again, waterboarding violates numerous treaties that the USA ratified and it also violates numerous federal statutes that were signed into law.

    If waterboarding is so effective, then why was it necessary to waterboard KSH 183 times? The vast majority of interrogation experts in law enforcement interrogation and intelligence community state that waterboarding is torture and is ineffective in yielding actionable intelligence. I can provide numerous examples in a subsequent post if you like. But, first I challenge you to find one person in the law enforcement or intelligence community that says it is effective. I highly doubt you will be able to.

    • Mr Caps says:

      “…causing the individual to experience the sensation of drowning.”

      I stopped right after this sentence and rest my case.

      Water boarding doesn’t harm the individual, torture does.

      • Waterboarding is torture says:

        Waterboarding doesn’t harm the individual? Hogwash! Why was a doctor required to be present when it was administered? Why did you stop after you cherry picked that sentence about the “sensation of drowning”? That’s weak. The very next sentence says that:

        “Waterboarding can cause extreme PAIN, dry drowning, damage to lungs, brain damage from oxygen deprivation, other physical injuries including broken bones due to struggling against restraints, lasting psychological damage and, if uninterrupted, death.”

        The vast majority of people in the United States military and intelligence community say it is torture. The only people I am aware of that don’t think so are certain sadistic neocon politicians.and those that drink their Kool Aid.

        • Mr Caps says:

          Waterboarding doesn’t harm the individual? Hogwash! Why was a doctor required to be present when it was administered?

          To prove that no harm has been done.

          “Waterboarding can cause extreme PAIN, dry drowning, damage to lungs, brain damage from oxygen deprivation, other physical injuries including broken bones due to struggling against restraints, lasting psychological damage and, if uninterrupted, death.”

          Just about anything taken to the extreme could do that.

          The vast majority of people in the United States military and intelligence community say it is torture.

          I don’t care what people think, everybody is entitled to their opinion.
          BTW a vast majority of people in the United States thought Obama would make a good president.

          The only people I am aware of that don’t think so are certain sadistic neocon politicians.and those that drink their Kool Aid.

          Your opinion.

          I suppose “double tapping” an unarmed terrorist is perfectly fine by you

  3. Person1 says:

    You are soo wrong, degrading treatment is torture!!! and according to CAT, torture is any kind of treatmeant that causes MENTAL or PHYSICAL suffering. If you feel like debating with someone, I suggest you take some argumentations classes, because you are just repeating the same sentence all the time.

    • Mr Caps says:

      I guess you would feel better if we just blew them up with drones.

      Who the hell is CAT? From what authority do they speak?

      • Anonymous says:

        Honestly, I agreed with your side before I read this argument, and now, I definitely disagree with you. You just blew it because you’re a horrible persuader and arguer. I’m sorry, but you really only kept repeating that it doesn’t cause pain, which was proven wrong. Then you said it was an opinion, but it has been proven to do damage. If you can’t prove it, then try it. See how long you last. I DARE YOU.

  4. Anonymous says:

    “FROM WIKIPEDIA” …. Your argument is void

  5. Ian Coleman says:

    Find anyone who has been waterboarded who will say it isn’t torture. It is true that, if done correctly, it doesn’t cause tissue damage, and the victim will be in fine health within minutes of its cessation. This is why it’s so morally dangerous. You can waterboard someone and then claim that you haven’t hurt them. But waterboarding causes distress that no one can bear for more than a few seconds. If that terrorist (KSM) really was waterboarded over 100 times, he was being tortured for the amusement of his captors. He couldn’t have resisted for that long, and was being tortured, not for information, but for revenge. This is the moral difficulty with torture. It is punishment in the guise of interrogation.

    Who could have seen that smirk on President Bush’s face as he launched the attack on Iraq and not realize that he was a sick little man who doted on cruelty. Well, that’s why he was cool with waterboarding.

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